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German term
United States
Computer/IT and Corporate Communications
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
, Spanish 
Works in: German to English, Spanish to English, Italian to English
Seitenabschnitte
German to English
Tech/Engineering
Forestry / Wood / Timber
I am translating this text on paper mill production, and it refers to "Seitenabschnitt" when talking about timber or by-products thereof from sawmills (see below).
I am wondering if there is a better option to use than "side sections" (which comes across as too generic).
Thank you in advance for your answers.
"So fallen etwa in den Sägewerken, die an die Zellstoffwerke angekoppelt sind, ***Seitenabschnitte*** an, die direkt weiter in die Zellstoffproduktion transportiert werden."
I am wondering if there is a better option to use than "side sections" (which comes across as too generic).
Thank you in advance for your answers.
"So fallen etwa in den Sägewerken, die an die Zellstoffwerke angekoppelt sind, ***Seitenabschnitte*** an, die direkt weiter in die Zellstoffproduktion transportiert werden."
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +4 | side cuts |
philgoddard
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| 3 +2 | slabwood |
Bourth
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| 4 | slabs |
Evgeny Sidorenko
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| 4 -1 | side sections |
Johannes Gleim
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Proposed translations
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philgoddard
United States
United States
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United States
Six languages into flawless English
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 4 more.
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side cuts
...side-cuts from the larger old-growth trees where the growth was slow.
http://www.google.com/url?q=https://academic.oup.com/jof/art...
The side cuts left over from the logs were dried into lumber that is being...
http://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.vermontwoodlands.org...
http://www.google.com/url?q=https://academic.oup.com/jof/art...
The side cuts left over from the logs were dried into lumber that is being...
http://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.vermontwoodlands.org...
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Kim Metzger
: https://www.rubner.com/en/rubner-holzindustrie/products/sawn...
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Michele Fauble
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uyuni
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Björn Vrooman
: I'll agree elsewhere too; I think you have a bit of leeway here. First ref.: https://www.woodbusiness.ca/small-and-steady-5183/ Video: https://www.facebook.com/SouthCoastLumberCo/videos/sli-singl...
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Evgeny Sidorenko
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
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Russian Federation
Multilingual Obersprachdientsleiter
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, German to Russian, and 11 more.
slabs
This just sounds better to me than anything with the word 'side'. 'Slabs' should be clear enough and shortest in this case.
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slabwood
I get the impression this is the wood cut from a log (to give at least one flat surface for putting the log through the saw - funny way of putting it, isn't it, since it is the saw (blade) that goes through the log), then that cut from the sides of each flat 'slab' to make planks.
"slabwood is the bark edge of a log. "
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/what-the-heck-is-slabwoo...
" ‘Cheeks’ and offcuts from our sawmill come as slabwood bundles"
https://www.sayitwithwood.co.uk/slabwood/*
[I read 'cheeks' as the sides of logs/slabs and 'offcuts' as pieces sawn across the grain (cutting to length, cutting out defects, etc.]
"Slabwood: waste wood resulting from sawmilling."
https://www.nzffa.org.nz/specialty-timber-market/glossary-of...
"Slabwood - Material from sawmills generated as a by-product when round logs are sawn into boards."
https://www.bowlandbioenergy.co.uk/userfiles/files/bowland_b...
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"Slab wood is typically the first cut that is made to the log to shed the outer layer. Being unsuitable for lumber products, this cut is either turned into pulp and made into paper or refined to produce particle board."
https://kbforestry.com/lumber-mill/
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Note too that 'slab' has a specific meaning in the timber industry. In German it is:
Schwarte Der beim Aufschneiden eines Stammes sich ergebende äussere Teil, der auf einer Seite die Schnittfläche und auf der anderen Seite die Stammoberfläche zeigt".
"slab Exterior portion of a log, removed in the process of sawing, that has one sawn surface, the other being the outside of the log"
[Dreisprächiges Rund- und Schnittholz-Wörterbuch, ed. Centre Technique du Bois et de l'Ameublement, Oct. 1995, ISBN 2-85684-035-3]
I have not more than a couple of sites with 'Seitenabschnitte' relating to timber* found, which to me suggests that it a non-standard term is. I suppose the options are to use what one believes to be the standard term, or to 'just the words translate'.
*"Hierdurch können selbst noch Seitenabschnitte zu sauber besäumten Bretter weiterverarbeitet werden."
https://www.mobilsaegewerk-muehlbauer.de/lohnschnitt
"In grösseren Sägewerken werden die Seitenabschnitte der Stämme durch Spaner (Kreissäge mit Fräse) direkt vor der Hauptmaschine zu Schnitzel zerhackt."
https://pubdb.bfe.admin.ch/de/publication/download/2478
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In the timber indistry, 'slab' is indeed a difficult word to get your head around.
It can be a flat 'slab of wood' with two or more sawn faces, as produced by a sort of mobile sawmill consisting of a large chainsaw on a rig that carries it horizontally along a log to cut such slabs. This type of equipment is called a slabber or a slabbing mill. It produces slabs.
It can also be the piece or rounded wood sawn from a log, as stated previously.
This video shows a Schumacher 'double edger'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITsa48zFwLw Others call it a 'double edge slabber' - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=551719788722376 - or 'double slabber' ("a Stenner re-saw, a multi-rip saw, a Schumacher double slabber and will shortly have our Stenner board mill up and running")
Just to complicate things further, what might have been such a physical rounded 'slab' were it sawn from the log, can also be removed by a chipping mill or 'slabber head' and still be known as slab. No physical 'slab' is actually produced, just the chips made from the corresponding part of a log. This is obviously ideal for pulp.
"During the primary transformation in wood industry, logs are faced with conical rough milling cutters commonly named slabber or canter heads. Chips produced consist of raw materials for pulp paper and particleboard industries."
https://sam.ensam.eu/bitstream/handle/10985/8497/LABOMAP_CFM...
"The production of dissolving pulp from poplar wood residual slabs was investigated. The residual slab chips were initially prehydrolyzed and subsequently pulped by the kraft process; the resulting brownstock was bleached using a totally chlorine-free (TCF) sequence to full brightness"
https://bioresources.cnr.ncsu.edu/resources/preparation-of-d...
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Seeing "edge" used in relation to the machine shown above, I looked for some examples with the word.
"The logs are being flitch sawn and processed in the bole. Theedge cuts and slabs that would, in a conventional lumber operation, end up in the waste pile are being repurposed into furniture components."
https://tomsvecfurniture.org/section/488007-Lumber.html
Here, I *imagine* 'slab' refers to the Schwarte and 'edge cut' to what is trimmed from the edges of the flitches ('planks') cut from the log.
"Flitch: A large piece of sawn log intended for further cutting. A flitch may have two or more sawn edges but is not sawn to final dimension"
"I set the next log to be cut on the mill and the edge cuts came off nicely"
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=111872.0
"The 2012 addition of the manual edger line brought versatility to the operation, allowing it to process 6m long material from its carriage. The pre-positioning infeed allows the operator to visually determine the optimum edge cuts for the flitch. "
https://www.usnr.com/en/content/chugokubiovisionedger
"slabwood is the bark edge of a log. "
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/what-the-heck-is-slabwoo...
" ‘Cheeks’ and offcuts from our sawmill come as slabwood bundles"
https://www.sayitwithwood.co.uk/slabwood/*
[I read 'cheeks' as the sides of logs/slabs and 'offcuts' as pieces sawn across the grain (cutting to length, cutting out defects, etc.]
"Slabwood: waste wood resulting from sawmilling."
https://www.nzffa.org.nz/specialty-timber-market/glossary-of...
"Slabwood - Material from sawmills generated as a by-product when round logs are sawn into boards."
https://www.bowlandbioenergy.co.uk/userfiles/files/bowland_b...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2024-02-01 21:48:16 GMT)
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"Slab wood is typically the first cut that is made to the log to shed the outer layer. Being unsuitable for lumber products, this cut is either turned into pulp and made into paper or refined to produce particle board."
https://kbforestry.com/lumber-mill/
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Note added at 6 hrs (2024-02-01 22:28:27 GMT)
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Note too that 'slab' has a specific meaning in the timber industry. In German it is:
Schwarte Der beim Aufschneiden eines Stammes sich ergebende äussere Teil, der auf einer Seite die Schnittfläche und auf der anderen Seite die Stammoberfläche zeigt".
"slab Exterior portion of a log, removed in the process of sawing, that has one sawn surface, the other being the outside of the log"
[Dreisprächiges Rund- und Schnittholz-Wörterbuch, ed. Centre Technique du Bois et de l'Ameublement, Oct. 1995, ISBN 2-85684-035-3]
I have not more than a couple of sites with 'Seitenabschnitte' relating to timber* found, which to me suggests that it a non-standard term is. I suppose the options are to use what one believes to be the standard term, or to 'just the words translate'.
*"Hierdurch können selbst noch Seitenabschnitte zu sauber besäumten Bretter weiterverarbeitet werden."
https://www.mobilsaegewerk-muehlbauer.de/lohnschnitt
"In grösseren Sägewerken werden die Seitenabschnitte der Stämme durch Spaner (Kreissäge mit Fräse) direkt vor der Hauptmaschine zu Schnitzel zerhackt."
https://pubdb.bfe.admin.ch/de/publication/download/2478
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Note added at 7 hrs (2024-02-01 22:54:41 GMT)
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Note added at 10 hrs (2024-02-02 01:45:28 GMT)
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In the timber indistry, 'slab' is indeed a difficult word to get your head around.
It can be a flat 'slab of wood' with two or more sawn faces, as produced by a sort of mobile sawmill consisting of a large chainsaw on a rig that carries it horizontally along a log to cut such slabs. This type of equipment is called a slabber or a slabbing mill. It produces slabs.
It can also be the piece or rounded wood sawn from a log, as stated previously.
This video shows a Schumacher 'double edger'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITsa48zFwLw Others call it a 'double edge slabber' - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=551719788722376 - or 'double slabber' ("a Stenner re-saw, a multi-rip saw, a Schumacher double slabber and will shortly have our Stenner board mill up and running")
Just to complicate things further, what might have been such a physical rounded 'slab' were it sawn from the log, can also be removed by a chipping mill or 'slabber head' and still be known as slab. No physical 'slab' is actually produced, just the chips made from the corresponding part of a log. This is obviously ideal for pulp.
"During the primary transformation in wood industry, logs are faced with conical rough milling cutters commonly named slabber or canter heads. Chips produced consist of raw materials for pulp paper and particleboard industries."
https://sam.ensam.eu/bitstream/handle/10985/8497/LABOMAP_CFM...
"The production of dissolving pulp from poplar wood residual slabs was investigated. The residual slab chips were initially prehydrolyzed and subsequently pulped by the kraft process; the resulting brownstock was bleached using a totally chlorine-free (TCF) sequence to full brightness"
https://bioresources.cnr.ncsu.edu/resources/preparation-of-d...
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Note added at 21 hrs (2024-02-02 13:16:24 GMT)
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Seeing "edge" used in relation to the machine shown above, I looked for some examples with the word.
"The logs are being flitch sawn and processed in the bole. Theedge cuts and slabs that would, in a conventional lumber operation, end up in the waste pile are being repurposed into furniture components."
https://tomsvecfurniture.org/section/488007-Lumber.html
Here, I *imagine* 'slab' refers to the Schwarte and 'edge cut' to what is trimmed from the edges of the flitches ('planks') cut from the log.
"Flitch: A large piece of sawn log intended for further cutting. A flitch may have two or more sawn edges but is not sawn to final dimension"
"I set the next log to be cut on the mill and the edge cuts came off nicely"
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=111872.0
"The 2012 addition of the manual edger line brought versatility to the operation, allowing it to process 6m long material from its carriage. The pre-positioning infeed allows the operator to visually determine the optimum edge cuts for the flitch. "
https://www.usnr.com/en/content/chugokubiovisionedger
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Gordon Matthews
: Given the context - "Seitenabschnitte" are processed to produce cellulose for use in paper production - "slabwood" seems to be the technical term used in the (English-speaking) timber industry.
2 days 17 hrs
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| neutral |
Johannes Gleim
: Slab wood is often sold and is not always just bark waste.
3 days 3 hrs
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| agree |
Björn Vrooman
: Cf. https://sheboygan.craigslist.org/for/d/kiel-slabwood-bundles... In particular: https://treeterms.co.uk/files/definitions/slabwood/ - offcuts seems to be the overarching term and that too may work here, as the German is ambiguous.
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Johannes Gleim
Native in German
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
side sections
After this the central part and the side sections are shifted upward to a horizontal position.
Danach werden das Mittelteil und die Seitenabschnitte nach oben in eine Horizontallage umgelegt.
https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-german/side ...
As shown in figures 1, 1, and K, the center part 29 of the log is taken with parallel sawings 27 and 28 for producing spars, planks and boards, while side sections 30 and 31 are separated and processed in accordance with figures J and K in a similar fashion as described in connection with figures G and H so that an oblique-sided 33, 34 timber piece 33 , 34 will be obtained.
https://data.epo.org/publication-server/pdf-document/EP85107...
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Large flat slabs can be dissected from these larger logs and easily turned cylindrical on the bandsaw, as described above. Platters and natural edge bowls can be created from the outer portions of the log. Smaller bowls can be made from inner side sections.
https://turnawoodbowl.com/creating-green-wood-bowl-blank-tur...
The 26” diameter was cut into 3 sections with the middle section being 10” thick. I opted to work on one of the side sections of about 8” thick for my first test piece. This would make a more shallow bowl, but was a good piece to practice on.
https://awonderfulthought.com/diy-dough-bowl-using-power-too...
Danach werden das Mittelteil und die Seitenabschnitte nach oben in eine Horizontallage umgelegt.
https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-german/side ...
As shown in figures 1, 1, and K, the center part 29 of the log is taken with parallel sawings 27 and 28 for producing spars, planks and boards, while side sections 30 and 31 are separated and processed in accordance with figures J and K in a similar fashion as described in connection with figures G and H so that an oblique-sided 33, 34 timber piece 33 , 34 will be obtained.
https://data.epo.org/publication-server/pdf-document/EP85107...
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Note added at 5 Tage (2024-02-06 17:16:23 GMT)
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Large flat slabs can be dissected from these larger logs and easily turned cylindrical on the bandsaw, as described above. Platters and natural edge bowls can be created from the outer portions of the log. Smaller bowls can be made from inner side sections.
https://turnawoodbowl.com/creating-green-wood-bowl-blank-tur...
The 26” diameter was cut into 3 sections with the middle section being 10” thick. I opted to work on one of the side sections of about 8” thick for my first test piece. This would make a more shallow bowl, but was a good piece to practice on.
https://awonderfulthought.com/diy-dough-bowl-using-power-too...
Peer comment(s):
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Bourth
: I found a number of examples ... in documents written by Continentals (names like Otto Sen Kreibaum and Anders Berglund and, as you say, the EPO, prob. translated)..
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This is no proof of a wrong term. For your convenience, I added more references in native English.
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Lancashireman
: Asker: "I am wondering if there is a better option to use than 'side sections' (which comes across as too generic)." The Disagree is for quoting reverso.net and a patent application.
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You are free to challenge the Reverso translations or the language skills of a translator or author, but should justify this here for the questioner.
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Reference comments
2 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Native in German
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Reference:
In grösseren Sägewerken werden die Seitenabschnitte derStämme durch Spaner (Kreissäge mit Fräse) direkt vor der Hauptmaschine zu Schnitzel zerhackt.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
Side cut products
Side cut products are square-edged, and are available as double-sticked, or un-sticked packs upon request. We also propose a large stock of kiln dried planks for the packaging and trading market.
https://pauls.be/new/index.php?article_id=4&clang=3
Now back to left side. First left side cut was 5" leaving about 1" of wood to hold the board up off the blade. I then wedged the board to hold it up off the blade and cut the last inch.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=94859.0
We handle all the essential tasks, starting with the log feed to separation, sawing units and conveyor systems for the main and side cuts, right through to edging and re-cutting saws.
https://www.sgs-industrial.com/en/industries/wood/
We generally saw very high quality siding from the side cuts as we bring these beams to size.
https://ies-sawmill.com/
Note: In all the illustrations I only saw rectangular cut slats, but no lateral section.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
Side cut products
Side cut products are square-edged, and are available as double-sticked, or un-sticked packs upon request. We also propose a large stock of kiln dried planks for the packaging and trading market.
https://pauls.be/new/index.php?article_id=4&clang=3
Now back to left side. First left side cut was 5" leaving about 1" of wood to hold the board up off the blade. I then wedged the board to hold it up off the blade and cut the last inch.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=94859.0
We handle all the essential tasks, starting with the log feed to separation, sawing units and conveyor systems for the main and side cuts, right through to edging and re-cutting saws.
https://www.sgs-industrial.com/en/industries/wood/
We generally saw very high quality siding from the side cuts as we bring these beams to size.
https://ies-sawmill.com/
Note: In all the illustrations I only saw rectangular cut slats, but no lateral section.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
philgoddard
: Nice of you to post all these references supporting my answer.
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Thank you too, but I later found another term that I preferred.
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Kim Metzger
Mexico
Mexico
Native in English
Specializes in field
Mexico
Committed to Quality and Service
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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152
Reference:
Seitenware
Seitenware is definiert als Nebenprodukt (Bretter) welches bei der Produktion eines Hauptproduktes ... "an der Seite anfaellt."
Side cuts are defined as a by-product (boards) which is produced "on the side."
https://msholz.de/schnittholz/bauschnittholz-konstruktionsho...
https://msholz.de/en/sawn-timber/construction-timber/boards-...
Side cuts are defined as a by-product (boards) which is produced "on the side."
https://msholz.de/schnittholz/bauschnittholz-konstruktionsho...
https://msholz.de/en/sawn-timber/construction-timber/boards-...
Discussion
"Utilization of Slabwood and Other Sawmill Wastes"
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED137056.pdf
Same paragraph. Of course, it wasn't quoted; it would have entirely undermined the argument being made.
That's no longer some innocent mischief. Other references I haven't posted yet:
"There has been a marked improvement in the utilization of mill-waste by sawmills in the Southern Coast region of British Colulnbia. This waste material, which results from the conversion of the sawlog into lumber, comprises slabwood, trimmings and sawdust."
https://pubs.cif-ifc.org/doi/pdf/10.5558/tfc12072-1
We can argue about trimmings; but sawdust is not it. Cf.:
"Slabwood bundles consist of the sides of timber that we cut off when it is first put through the Sawmill, but also contain rejected and broken planks that have been processed..."
https://www.gov.im/categories/business-and-industries/isle-o...
Obviously, neither ENS source can hold a candle to a link as illustrious as that Reverso one, which revolves around...pretzels.
Why is it so hard to stick to the topic? Just once, pls?
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED137056.pdf
What does slab wood mean?
The Ultimate Guide to Wood Slabs - Part I
Wood Slab (n.) A flat piece of wood that is unique and displays organic character. Often used as table or benchtops, wood slabs automatically elevate the space they are sited on.
https://www.google.de/search?q="what is" "slabwood"&sca_esv=...
After consulting the sources, I am becoming more convinced with "side cuts" or "side sections", but I will still add a note for the client during delivery.
Thanks for highlighting this. As mentioned in my previous entry, you may be right, but the text does not say anything about wood slabs specifically. Or at least we don't know what kind of "Seitenabschnitte" it refers to. Can be anything of the words proposed here... In the end, and this was my thinking, it is about a by-product that is sent for ultimate processing. So, it does not matter how you describe the word. For me, it is just waste... ^^ Sorry!
https://msholz.de/schnittholz/bauschnittholz-konstruktionsho...
https://msholz.de/en/sawn-timber/construction-timber/boards-...
https://www.advantagelumber.com/woodslabs/