Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
beaux-arts classiques
English translation:
classical fine art
Added to glossary by
mimi 254
Mar 9, 2010 13:25
14 yrs ago
French term
classiques
French to English
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exhibition at a large gallery in Paris
I think, in the context, that this means conventional art in a standard type of gallery, and it would be misleading to translate it as 'classical' in English (=Greek and Roman style). It also cannot be referred to as 'traditional' as it is being compared with 'primal' art. Would you, therefore, translate it as 'conventional', or possibly 'classic', or something else?
'..un des plus grands musees au monde des beaux-arts classiques.'
'..un des plus grands musees au monde des beaux-arts classiques.'
Proposed translations
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| 3 | classical |
mimi 254
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| 4 +2 | traditional |
B D Finch
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| 4 | classic |
philgoddard
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| 3 -1 | Western |
Alain Pommet
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References
| Fine art - folk art |
Barbara Wiebking
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Change log
Mar 23, 2010 07:24: mimi 254 Created KOG entry
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classical
classical fine arts
classical peut être utilisé pr distinguer une époque, un genre.
eg: théatre classique français = French classical theatre (Oxford-hachette)
ds le cas contraire, vs pouvez utiliser conventional coe vs l'avez proposé
classical peut être utilisé pr distinguer une époque, un genre.
eg: théatre classique français = French classical theatre (Oxford-hachette)
ds le cas contraire, vs pouvez utiliser conventional coe vs l'avez proposé
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Good lateral thinking, but French classical theatre or literature is not the same thing. In the Fine Arts, classical is used with reference to the art of ancient Greece or Rome, and to prioritising formalism over emotion and romanticism.
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Comment: "Thanks, mimi. The term used appears to be 'classical fine art'. I had avoided this for the reason given above by BDFinch, (- in the UK it would suggest ancient Greek or Roman), but together with 'fine art' it seems to be how this is translated."
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traditional
As per jlsjr's explanation.
"You will enhance your technical skills in the traditional fine arts media of painting, drawing – including life drawing – and sculpture. ..."
www2.bolton.ac.uk › Course Finder
"... in all media including traditional fine arts (painting, sculpture, drawing, prints, .... Dictionary catalog of the Library of the Freer Gallery of Art ..."
www.vam.ac.uk › ... › Finding Information on Art & Design -
"Education Image Gallery Thousands of images from the world-famous Getty archive ... all media including traditional fine arts (painting, sculpture, drawing, ..."
studentzone.roehampton.ac.uk › Library › Subject Resources
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Note added at 28 mins (2010-03-09 13:53:51 GMT)
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I understand your reservations about "traditional" in the context. However, traditional here means the arts that have traditionally been classified as "the Fine Arts" and it is not a value judgement about the validity of other traditions that did not use the category "Fine Art".
"You will enhance your technical skills in the traditional fine arts media of painting, drawing – including life drawing – and sculpture. ..."
www2.bolton.ac.uk › Course Finder
"... in all media including traditional fine arts (painting, sculpture, drawing, prints, .... Dictionary catalog of the Library of the Freer Gallery of Art ..."
www.vam.ac.uk › ... › Finding Information on Art & Design -
"Education Image Gallery Thousands of images from the world-famous Getty archive ... all media including traditional fine arts (painting, sculpture, drawing, ..."
studentzone.roehampton.ac.uk › Library › Subject Resources
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Note added at 28 mins (2010-03-09 13:53:51 GMT)
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I understand your reservations about "traditional" in the context. However, traditional here means the arts that have traditionally been classified as "the Fine Arts" and it is not a value judgement about the validity of other traditions that did not use the category "Fine Art".
Peer comment(s):
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Gabella inc (X)
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Thanks Gabella
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Stephanie Ezrol
: in the context of fine arts, traditional works well
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Thanks Stephanie
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Western
I actually think your own suggestions and BD's suggestion is fine, but this could be an alternative, as it's really setting Western art against art from the rest of the world.
une ambassade du musée du quai Branly au coeur du musée du Louvre
Inauguré en avril 2000, le pavillon des Sessions se situe au sud du palais du Louvre, entre l’aile de Flore et l’aile Denon, et expose 120 chefs-d’oeuvre sculpturaux du monde entier au coeur de l’un des plus grands musées des beaux-arts classiques au monde. Du jour au lendemain, la Victoire de Samothrace et la Vénus de Milo ont cohabité avec un maître de la maternité rouge dogon avec un serpent à plumes Quetzalcoatl : l’ouverture du pavillon des Sessions marque un tournant important dans l’histoire du regard que l’Occident porte sur les arts et civilisations d’Afrique, d’Asie, d’Océanie et des Amériques, soit les trois quarts de l’humanité et six mille ans d’histoire du monde...
http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/collections/pavillon-des-session...
une ambassade du musée du quai Branly au coeur du musée du Louvre
Inauguré en avril 2000, le pavillon des Sessions se situe au sud du palais du Louvre, entre l’aile de Flore et l’aile Denon, et expose 120 chefs-d’oeuvre sculpturaux du monde entier au coeur de l’un des plus grands musées des beaux-arts classiques au monde. Du jour au lendemain, la Victoire de Samothrace et la Vénus de Milo ont cohabité avec un maître de la maternité rouge dogon avec un serpent à plumes Quetzalcoatl : l’ouverture du pavillon des Sessions marque un tournant important dans l’histoire du regard que l’Occident porte sur les arts et civilisations d’Afrique, d’Asie, d’Océanie et des Amériques, soit les trois quarts de l’humanité et six mille ans d’histoire du monde...
http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/collections/pavillon-des-session...
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: I believe the Louvre has major permanent collections of Islamic and Chinese art.
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philgoddard
: That would be "occidental".
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classic
As the asker and other posters have pointed out, this is not the same as classical.
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Barbara Wiebking
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Reference:
Fine art - folk art
Wikipedia (and others) use the differentiation between fine and folk art for primal and traditional art. Maybe that can be of help to you?
Example sentence:
Folk art encompasses art produced from an indigenous culture or by peasants or other laboring tradespeople. In contrast to fine art, folk art is primarily utilitarian and decorative rather than purely aesthetic.
Fine Art / Folk Art: A Dialogue examines the profound influence of Ukrainian folk art on the fine art created by some of Ukraine's best known and highly regarded artists.
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B D Finch
: I find the distinction between "decorative" and "purely aesthetic" is problematic. Surely decoration IS aesthetic? I think the real distinction is that Fine Art is created purely for its own sake and for the solving of aesthetic problems and expression.
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