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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

faille végétale

English translation:

planting break

Added to glossary by Helen Shiner
    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2009-10-12 10:54:06 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
Oct 8, 2009 11:43
14 yrs ago
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French term

faille végétale

French to English Tech/Engineering Architecture construction project
The above phrase is taken from the text below, relating to an architectural project description. I am translating faille as "fault" as in a wall fault structure (?) but can't seem to find any ref. sources for the entire phrase so any suggestions welcomed TIA :)

"Les appartements plus grands dans les étages disposent tantôt d’une surface loggia généreuse en façade principale doublée d’un balcon dans la faille végétale, tantôt d’une loggia double hauteur doublée d’un bow window ventilable au contact de la faille végétale et récepteur de chaleur dans sa façade la mieux exposée."
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 planting break
4 1. overlooking a planted area / 2. directly overlooking planted area
References
some mentions
Change log

Oct 12, 2009 11:01: Helen Shiner changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/0">'s</a> old entry - " faille végétale"" to ""planting break""

Discussion

Bourth (X) Oct 8, 2009:
I have certainly used cleft a number of times in the context of architectural features described as "faille", but it's my own invention I think, having found nothing attested to thus far. Rock of ages ...
Julie Harper (asker) Oct 8, 2009:
Yes is seems the text is referring to a gap in the facade of a block of flats in which a garden is situated (at ground level). Would the term "vertical cleft" therefore be an accurate way to interpret "faille" here?
Martin Cassell Oct 8, 2009:
Axis As Bourth hints, the few refs seem to describe either vertical clefts/gaps in a façade, or horizontal breaks/bands/gaps in a landscaped areas.

There are two illustrations for the apparently closely-related "faille arborée" in my reference entry.
Bourth (X) Oct 8, 2009:
Is this "faille végétale" a "cleft" or "gash" on the façade, or a break between two buildings (with gardens at ground level)?
Tony M Oct 8, 2009:
Not really A 'pensinsual' is something that 'sticks out', whereas this is more likely to be something that 'goes in'
Julie Harper (asker) Oct 8, 2009:
Yes I think Helen is on the right lines here. However I can't seem to find many entries for the term "planting breaks". Do you think "planting peninsulas" would be more fitting?
Tony M Oct 8, 2009:
Not 'fault' It's certainly not 'fault' here in the geological sense; I've come across this word used quite a bit in architectural texts, each time referring to some kind of deliberate 'gap' in a structure. Helen's idea with 'break' is certainly along the right lines...
Irene McClure Oct 8, 2009:
plants Hi Julie - from a quick look at the sites which come up when you Google "faille végétale" it seems this is some kind of planted terrace or other kind of space with lots of greenery. I can't see how translating "faille" as a "fault" would fit in the text you have given - surely this "faille végétale" is a selling point of these apartments, not a fault in the structure?

Proposed translations

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planting break

A quick look found this, after all

ii. Constructed Screen Wall. The constructed screen wall shall be made of masonry, a treated concrete, stone, or brick and shall be between two feet, six inches to three feet, zero inches in height above the ground elevation. The screen wall shall not be constructed of metal or of concrete masonry units (cinder blocks) that are not architecturally treated as provided for in regulation on requirements for concrete block walls. There shall be a four-foot minimum planting break every 15 feet of wall. Planting breaks shall be planted from the street shrub list (subsection (EE) of this section) with a minimum of one shrub per planting break. The city may allow a screen wall to be constructed of wood provided the design and materials match the primary building on the lot, such as picket style or estate style fencing.

http://www.codepublishing.com/wa/edgewood/html/edgewd18/edge...

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-10-08 12:57:00 GMT)
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Often this would be referred to simply as 'planting' by landscape architects. 'Planting inset' is also used, but I would prefer 'planting break' in the façade of a building.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-10-08 14:29:21 GMT)
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Thanks for your added context, Julie. I think either of my suggestions would work. Cleft, however, is better used when speaking of a rock face or anatomically, in my view.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-10-08 14:34:11 GMT)
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http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/comprehensiveplan/area2/mcl...

see p. 19 for planting insets and planting strips

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-10-08 14:35:11 GMT)
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Also pp. 23 and 27 - also has useful drawings

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Note added at 3 days23 hrs (2009-10-12 11:02:15 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, Julie
Peer comment(s):
agree Evans (X) : not heard it used, but it makes perfect sense
4 mins
Thanks, Gilla - too much time spent with architects is twisting my brain perhaps?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Planting break/inset seem to be the most fitting options in this context. Thanks to all, your input on this has been really helpful."
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1. overlooking a planted area / 2. directly overlooking planted area

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Note added at 23 hrs (2009-10-09 11:38:53 GMT)
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Or : "bedded area"
Or : "area planted with flowers/shrubbery"
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Reference comments

14 mins
Reference:

some mentions

http://www.stluc-bruxelles.be/PDF/Art&archi7.pdf
http://www.communautes-urbaines.com/acufflash.asp?idpage=129...

"Ce vide permet une faille végétale dans le socle donnant la possibilité de planter des arbres en plain sol et d'autre part de créer un apport de lumière naturelle au parc de stationnement" http://www.herouville.net/renovationUrbaine/iso_album/rappor...

Faille arborée :
http://www.nathetchris.fr/fichiers/nathetchris.pdf
http://masj.fr/architecture/habitat-collectif/habitat-collec...
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