Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Krad
English translation:
PTW (powered two-wheeler)
German term
Krad
KRAD, MOTORRAD, O.LB.
So, I know that this is a motorcycle without performance restrictions, but how do I fit KRAD into it?
Two-wheeled motorized vehicle is a bit long, but I am open to suggestions.
Thanks for your thoughts.
3 +1 | PTW | Kim Metzger |
4 +1 | motorcycle | Wolfgang Hager |
4 -1 | motorcycle | Wolfgang Hager |
3 | two-wheeled motorized vehicle | Erik Freitag |
2 | moped | Ramey Rieger (X) |
3 -1 | Light motorcycle | Yorkshireman |
May 24, 2020 20:31: Ramey Rieger (X) changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
Jun 4, 2020 15:11: jccantrell changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/4018">jccantrell's</a> old entry - "Krad"" to ""PTW (powered tow-wheeler)""
PRO (3): Erik Freitag, Steffen Walter, Ramey Rieger (X)
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Proposed translations
PTW
moped
https://www.motorcyclelegalfoundation.com/types-of-motorcycl...
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Yorkshireman
: It certainly is a Krad. Take a look at my discussion entry - Your answer may well be right
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Doesn't really rev me up, either.
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Light motorcycle
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Erik Freitag
: Not only does this not fit the context, nor is there any hint in the source you quote that would hint in that direction. Could you elaborate?/ But "Motorrad" is the HIGHEST category! "Light motorcycle" would be "Leichtkraftrad".
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The context is classification of motorcycles for policing purposes i.e. speeding, illegal modification or similar - a moped or a light motorcycle describes the lowest categories See discussion entry
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motorcycle
this is a data base which needs to "capture" references in police reports over time and territory, where some old fashioned officer (in ex-GDR ?)might write Krad in the report, and a younger one Mororrade
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Alexander Schleber (X)
: This is the translation sauggested by Ernst, Wörterbuch d. Industriellen Technik. I tend to think that "Motorad O.B." is simply a definiton of "Krad".
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Johannes Gleim
: https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=10...
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Yorkshireman
: These are categories for police actions in case of infringements of the law. A generic doesn't help at all.
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motorcycle
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Yorkshireman
: These are categories for police actions in case of infringements of the law. A generic doesn't help at all.
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two-wheeled motorized vehicle
If the information were actually organized as a tree (instead of a comma-separated list), it would be easier to shorten this to "two-wheeled", as "motorized vehicle" would be the parent node, but maybe this works here as well.
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I see where the confusion might come from. I understood the asker to be looking for a specific translation for "Krad" in the given context. If, however, a translation for the full string ("KRAD, MOTORRAD, O.LB.") is wanted and the tiered structure can be ignored, than that would be something along the lines of "motorcycle, no power restrictions" (as Richard Stephen) suggested.
Moped or light motorcycle are the exact opposite: motorcycle classes WITH power restrictions.
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Gosh. I'll try again: "... then that would be something along the lines of "motorcycle, no power restrictions" (as Richard Stephen suggested)."
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Chris Pr
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Thanks!
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Yorkshireman
: A generic term doesn't help to distinguish between motorcycle classes
You supplied the generic as an answer - The asker appears to wish to distinguish between the various classes (as does the law)
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I believe you haven't read or fully understood the question and/or my answer. "Krad" is as generic a term as you can get. The distinguishment is done by the following terms/subcategories, i.e. "Motorrad", and, further, "O. LB.".
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Discussion
The above is also used for some kind of database, I think. Not sure whether that'd work in this context, though.
You can find the same for other states as well. I like Kim's PTW reference, though I'm afraid it's EU-specific (the IMMA is based in Geneva). You could use something like M1/M2 (I'm not sure why almost everyone is trying to suggest some excruciatingly long and non-abbreviated term). But the numbers aren't the same everywhere. See California and Virginia's classification systems:
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcy...
https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/drivers/#motorcycle.asp
2W could stand in for two-wheeled, but there isn't much else you could add. Maybe jccantrell could simply create an abbreviation and define it somewhere.
Best wishes
KRAD, as in Kraftrad, is the higher-order category and Motorrad the subcategory. Here is a reference (if it's yours, jccantrell, tell me, though I don't think so):
https://kfz-innung-schwaben.de/fileadmin/resources/intern/te...
See p.2, where it says: "KRAFTRAD O.LB.," then "alter Führerschein" and
"KRAFTRAD O.LB.
KRAD, MOTORRAD O.LB
KRAD, M.BW, MOTORRAD O.LB
KRAD, ROLLER O.LB
KRAD, M.BW. ROLLER O. LB"
See what I mean? Basically, there are two defs of KRAD, one being the "generic" one Eric provided and the following: "...mit einem Hubraum von mehr als 50 ccm oder mit einer durch die Bauart bestimmten Höchstgeschwindigkeit von mehr als 45 km/h (vgl. § 2 Nr.9 der Fahrzeug-Zulassungsverordnung)..." https://wirtschaftslexikon.gabler.de/definition/kraftrad-kra...
Light motorcycle doesn't even factor in here somewhere. The above references the following: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/fzv_2011/__2.html
Nothing to do with mopeds either.
Best
Entry level to motorcycling at age 16 is the moped, a motorcycle of engine capacity no greater than 50 cc restricted to a maximum design speed of 50 km/h (31 mph).
At age 17 the rider may have a "light motorcycle" with an engine up to 125 cc and a power output not exceeding 11 kW (15 hp). Only a CBT certificate, obtained within the past two years, and a provisional licence is needed to ride a learner motorcycle with an L-plate. After passing a test on a 125 cc machine, riders will be restricted to ride a "large restricted motorcycle", which has a maximum power output of 25 kW (34 hp). After two years this restriction is lifted and any size or power of motorcycle may be ridden.
For riders over age 21 there is a direct access route to gaining a licence to ride a "large motorcycle" of any engine capacity or power,[8] which allows somebody with no motorcycle experience to train and pass a test in around five days.
or maybe Motorcycle/other two-wheeled motorized vehicle.
When I see "without performance limitation" my first thought is a vehicle with some sort of restrictor or governor. Perhaps something like "all performance classes" would convey the actual meaning better.
The terms are hierarchic. "Krad" (indeed short for Kraftrad) is the generic term for any motorized two-wheeled vehicle (and itself a hyponym, in all likelihood of "Kraftfahrzeuge"). "Motorrad" then is a subcategory of "Krad" and narrows this in a bit further (excluding, for example, motor scooters, mopeds etc.)
O. LB. ("ohne Leistungsbeschränkung") is the next level and allows to differentiate between motorcycles of different power-to-weight ratios.
If don't know if you want to map this to a different legal system. I believe, regulations differ from state to state in the US?