Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
appareil d'État
English translation:
State apparatus
Added to glossary by
Bianca Jacobsohn
Jan 11, 2006 21:11
18 yrs ago
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French term
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appareil d'État
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Social Sciences
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China
I've found "machinery of government" for this, but don't know if I like it.
"...ouvrait les portes du PCC à ces nouvelles « élites » déclenchant un certain nombre de controverses au sein même de l’appareil d’État."
...within the (very) running of the country? Your suggestions are appreciated.
"...ouvrait les portes du PCC à ces nouvelles « élites » déclenchant un certain nombre de controverses au sein même de l’appareil d’État."
...within the (very) running of the country? Your suggestions are appreciated.
Proposed translations
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| 2 +10 | State apparatus |
Tony M
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| 4 +1 | state apparatus |
swisstell
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| 4 | the state administration |
mireille aboumrad
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| 4 | State apparatus |
Philip Taylor
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| 4 | State apparatus |
carole patton
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Change log
Jan 12, 2006 07:59: JCEC changed "Term asked" from "appareil d\'Etat" to "appareil d\'�tat"
Proposed translations
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French term (edited):
appareil d'Etat
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State apparatus
I've a feeling I've come across this on more than one occasion; perhaps you could try a quick Google to see just how common it is?
If not, I think your 'machinery of Government' is better, 'the very running of the country' is getting too far away from it, IMO --- the 'controversies' are 'in Government circles', not 'in the running of the country' --- see what I mean?
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As CB has kindly pointed out, 'apparatus of state' might well fit better in the given sentence; my only tiny reservation, upon reflection, is that I have a nagging feeling that this is sometimes used in a different context, in connection with things pomp and regal, like the 'State Coach' --- can't really remember, just a vague idea in the back of my mind...
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Wasn't this term something that was specifically used in relation to the old Communist régimes? I have a feeling... anything to do with apparatchik?
OED says that 'apparat' meant "The Communist Party machine in the former USSR and other countries."
Naïve? I always thought 'apparatchik' meant you had a cool blender!
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Google throws up over 20 x more hits for S/A than AofS, and the former seems to be more often linked with totalitarian régimes...
If not, I think your 'machinery of Government' is better, 'the very running of the country' is getting too far away from it, IMO --- the 'controversies' are 'in Government circles', not 'in the running of the country' --- see what I mean?
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Note added at 17 hrs 18 mins (2006-01-12 14:30:40 GMT)
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As CB has kindly pointed out, 'apparatus of state' might well fit better in the given sentence; my only tiny reservation, upon reflection, is that I have a nagging feeling that this is sometimes used in a different context, in connection with things pomp and regal, like the 'State Coach' --- can't really remember, just a vague idea in the back of my mind...
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Note added at 1 day 55 mins (2006-01-12 22:07:17 GMT)
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Wasn't this term something that was specifically used in relation to the old Communist régimes? I have a feeling... anything to do with apparatchik?
OED says that 'apparat' meant "The Communist Party machine in the former USSR and other countries."
Naïve? I always thought 'apparatchik' meant you had a cool blender!
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Note added at 1 day 58 mins (2006-01-12 22:09:59 GMT)
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Google throws up over 20 x more hits for S/A than AofS, and the former seems to be more often linked with totalitarian régimes...
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carole patton
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Thanks, Carole!
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DFBEN
: I also did and used it in a Translation regarding this country as well. Bon courage!!!
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Thanks, DFBen!
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Philip Taylor
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Thanks, Philip!
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Richard Benham
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Thanks, Richard!
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Charlie Bavington
: akshully, I think "apparatus of state" might fit better here, especially given the "within the very..." construction.
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Thnaks, CB! Yes, you're absolutely right, that's EXACTLY what I first thought of, but by the time I got round to typing it in, I'd forgotten!
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sktrans
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Thanks, SKT!
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Ghina
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Thanks, Tanya!
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sporran
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Thanks, Sporran!
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Sylvia Smith
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Thanks, Sylvia!
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xuebai
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Thanks, Xuebai!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Dusty! As always your insight is invaluable and very much appreciated. Cheers, Bianca."
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mireille aboumrad
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French term (edited):
appareil d'Etat
the state administration
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French term (edited):
appareil d'Etat
State apparatus
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carole patton
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French term (edited):
appareil d'Etat
State apparatus
Very common term, no? I think you'll find a few entries on google if you enter this alongside the source term
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French term (edited):
appareil d'Etat
state apparatus
attention> state machinery often refers to actual machines belonging to a State and thus, in this context, ought to be avoided.
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In his "Ideology and Ideological State Apparatus," Louis Althusser summarizes his
... Nevertheless, every State Apparatus-whether repressive or ideological ...
www.eng.fju.edu.tw/Literary_ Criticism/marxism/althusser.html
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In his "Ideology and Ideological State Apparatus," Louis Althusser summarizes his
... Nevertheless, every State Apparatus-whether repressive or ideological ...
www.eng.fju.edu.tw/Literary_ Criticism/marxism/althusser.html
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Richard Nice
: Apparatuses, plural, in the actual title... in general a Taiwan site perhaps not the most obvious validation of English usage...?
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