Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
chanoines émérites
English translation:
canons emeritus
Added to glossary by
B D Finch
Apr 25, 2014 12:44
10 yrs ago
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chanoines émérites
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History/religion: about a cathedral in Belgium
"...qu’ « il y a une émulation entre les chanoines à qui embellira le plus cette église » ?
Le chapitre compte actuellement six chanoines titulaires, cinq *chanoines émérites* et un chanoine honoraire."
I'm using "sitting canons" for "chanoines titulaires" but "chanoines émérites" doesn't seem to match up to anything here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(priest). I'm assuming that the cathedral is a Catholic cathedral.
Le chapitre compte actuellement six chanoines titulaires, cinq *chanoines émérites* et un chanoine honoraire."
I'm using "sitting canons" for "chanoines titulaires" but "chanoines émérites" doesn't seem to match up to anything here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(priest). I'm assuming that the cathedral is a Catholic cathedral.
Proposed translations
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| 5 +5 | canons emeritus |
B D Finch
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| 3 -2 | senior canons |
Francis Marche
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References
| Example - there are plenty more |
AllegroTrans
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canons emeritus
http://www.debretts.com/forms-address/professions/religion/c...
"How to Address a Retired Canon
After his retirement he is addressed as other clergy, unless he is appointed a Canon Emeritus, when he is addressed as previously. The word "emeritus" is only used in official documents."
quebec.anglican.org/Front%20page/.../canonspdf/canon%20C29.pdf
Canons Emeritus shall cease to be members of the Cathedral Chapter. B. The title of Canon shall not be retained by clerics who leave the Diocese except for ...
"How to Address a Retired Canon
After his retirement he is addressed as other clergy, unless he is appointed a Canon Emeritus, when he is addressed as previously. The word "emeritus" is only used in official documents."
quebec.anglican.org/Front%20page/.../canonspdf/canon%20C29.pdf
Canons Emeritus shall cease to be members of the Cathedral Chapter. B. The title of Canon shall not be retained by clerics who leave the Diocese except for ...
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Sheri P
: canons emeriti? http://www.blackburncathedral.com/levels.asp?level_id=246
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I think that Blackburn Cathedral got it wrong; the form "emeriti" would apply to a noun, not to an adjective.
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Daryo
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Thanks Daryo
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AllegroTrans
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Thanks AT
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Francis Marche
: "Canons Emeritus shall cease to be members of the Cathedral Chapter"... My point is they are.
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What is your point?// If that were a general rule, it would not need to be spelled out for a particular Cathedral. Also, my reference happened to be for an Anglican cathedral (the term "emeritus" is the same as for a Catholic one, but rules are not).
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philgoddard
: Émérite is easy to look up in a dictionary.
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Thanks Phil. But, one so rarely gets a chance to quote Debretts. ;)
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Bertrand Leduc
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Thanks Bertrand
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Francis Marche
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senior canons
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AllegroTrans
: No, émérite clearly means they have retired and therefore can no longer be senior// but the word can only mean emeritus; Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI is not a "senior" Pope
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But the ST reads "le chapitre compte actuellement cinq chanoine émérites", meaning they are INCLUDED in the chapter, aren't they ?// That's the whole point : while B.XVI is no longer Pope, these canons still are in the Chapter.
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Bertrand Leduc
: ''emeritus'' is not equivalent to ''senior''//??//emeritus in EN = émérite in FR please look it up in a dictionary//You obviously think you do, but find it hard to get your point across. Good luck!
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"Emeritus" is not equivalent to "senior" and therefore "émérite" is not either. Is that your logic?// I don't think you know what we are talking about. Sorry.
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B D Finch
: Re your comment to AllegroTrans, it may have escaped your notice that a canon emeritus, though "retired" can still be active as a canon. Indeed, I remember a very active rabbi emeritus who used to jointly officiate at services with the regular rabbi..
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Reference comments
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AllegroTrans
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Reference:
Example - there are plenty more
Canons at Christ Church Cathedral, Hartford
from the Constitution and Statutes Of The Cathedral Church
of the Diocese (2003)
from the Statutes
Section II The Staff Canons. The Staff Canons shall be responsible for discharging such duties in the worship and the administration of the Cathedral as shall be assigned to them by the Dean or Provost.
The Staff Canons shall be elected by the Chapter, on joint nomination of the Bishop and the Dean or Provost.
All Staff Canons shall retain this title while a member of the Cathedral staff.
Upon retirement or resignation, the Chapter, upon nomination of the Bishop and the Dean or Provost, may grant the title "Canon Emeritus" to Staff Canons.
from the Constitution and Statutes Of The Cathedral Church
of the Diocese (2003)
from the Statutes
Section II The Staff Canons. The Staff Canons shall be responsible for discharging such duties in the worship and the administration of the Cathedral as shall be assigned to them by the Dean or Provost.
The Staff Canons shall be elected by the Chapter, on joint nomination of the Bishop and the Dean or Provost.
All Staff Canons shall retain this title while a member of the Cathedral staff.
Upon retirement or resignation, the Chapter, upon nomination of the Bishop and the Dean or Provost, may grant the title "Canon Emeritus" to Staff Canons.
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Francis Marche
: Was the usage exactly this on the Continent ? Words are the same (émérites/emeritus) but usages and statutes varied a lot in this part of the world didn't they ? The 100-year War sprang from variances in interpreting terms of laws and statutes, after all
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usages and practises vary but émérite = emeritus; what evidence do you have that it should be changed?; anyway your own ref is from Australia!
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AND this is an honorary title
"Un jour un vénérable ecclésiastique, maître de pension, M. Tabbé Bazire T. invita à déjeuner, lui et son frère Germain. Ils s'y trouvèrent en compagnie de trois prêtres, au nombre desquels était M. Boïeldieu, vénérable chanoine émérite, oncle de l'immortel auteur de la Dame Blanche."
Tiens! un "chanoine émérite" prêtre actif ! Il va falloir porter cette aberration à la connaissance des sieurs AllegroTrans et Bertrand Leduc, pour qu'ils aillent derechef ordonner à ce M. Boiëldieu de mettre un terme à ses activités ecclésiales séance tenante, afin de se conformer à son état d'"Emeritus" tel qu'eux le conçoivent.