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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

ticket d\'amorçage

English translation:

Seed money/seed capital

Added to glossary by Michael GREEN
Nov 26, 2009 14:21
14 yrs ago
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French term

ticket d'amorçage

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general)
This is in a document presenting a project to launch a new type of software to be made available on the Internet - the specific context is not relevant here (and is confidential). I have : "Le ***ticket d’amorçage*** de XXXXXk€ est relativement modeste pour les retours envisagés".
I take this to mean "entry ticket" (reading "amorçage" to mean "getting under way" here).
Any other ideas please?
Proposed translations (English)
3 Seed money
4 initial investment
3 start-up ticket
3 initiation fee
3 minimum ("get-in") launch capital investment

Discussion

Michael GREEN (asker) Nov 26, 2009:
Hi Jack ! Posted my entry before seeing yours - "seed capital" or "seed money" is probably pretentious, but you haven't seen the rest of the document !! A whole page of the guy's academic qualifications, apart from a convoluted presentation style. However, that's what we're here for ..
Michael GREEN (asker) Nov 26, 2009:
Thanks, everybody I cannot grade before 24 hrs are up, but my client won't wait that long, and I have gone for Emma's answer, which is closest to what I believe the author of my text is saying.
Thank you for your contributions - I'm sorry to be unable to choose them all, but at least your suggestions will be available for future searches.
Jack Dunwell Nov 26, 2009:
Well Michael Good evening M. My simple mind goes for "investment". (Goes well with "return") and I think, say, "seed capital" is somewhat pretentious.
Travelin Ann Nov 26, 2009:
Michael - in that case, you might use "buy-in" http://www.askjim.biz/answers/buy-in-definition_3647.php
Michael GREEN (asker) Nov 26, 2009:
Thank you all for your contributions, but .. I think some contributors are focusing too much on the "software" aspect : this is about "start-up capital" / "entry ticket" / "launch capital" for a financial venture. The term used is financial - whether the company is going to be providing software, a new line in T-shirts, or fizzy drinks, is irrelevant - I am looking for a term that will be understood by the guys with the money to whom my client is addressing his proposal.
I think Emma is on the right lines, but I don't want to influence the debate here !
Travelin Ann Nov 26, 2009:
http://www.oseo.fr/votre_projet/creation/aides_et_financemen...
Emma Paulay Nov 26, 2009:
Yes Philippa It might well be as simple as "initial outlay".
Philippa Smith Nov 26, 2009:
non-technical? My instinct is that this is not a technical term, but that it is simply using an alternative way of talking about start-up costs, as in, the initial outlay of xx€ is fairly low considering the expected returns.
Travelin Ann Nov 26, 2009:
@Michael Possibly "software licensing fee?"
Emma Paulay Nov 26, 2009:
Seed money? Venture capital? I tried googling "capital d'amorçage" - which takes you to capital d'investissement and so on.

I think that's a possible "piste à suivre"...
Travelin Ann Nov 26, 2009:
@ Michael Many other examples of "software initiation fee" beyond CIOC - see my other example, or google "software initiation fee" with inverted commas/quotation marks

Proposed translations

3 hrs
Selected

Seed money

Concentrating on the financial aspect of the given context...
Reference:

http://www.journaldunet.com/encyclopedie/definition/132/47/21/capital_d_amorcage.shtml

http://www.edubourse.com/guide/lexique.php?definition=738

Note from asker:
Many thanks Emma - that is really what I'm looking for, I believe!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Emma, and all contributors. "Seed money " (or seed capital) is closest to the idea of "amorçage", and is what my customer preferred, while agreeing that basically, we are just talking about "starting capital" or "initial investment": but the document style is rather more pompous ..."
17 mins

start-up ticket

Only ONE reference on the WWW.

Source: http://www.communitywiki.org/en/InvestissementWebDeConfiance

Plus de startups créées, parce qu’il devient plus facile d’obtenir ce premier **ticket d’amorçage** pour la fondation.
Note from asker:
Thanks, Chris, but I saw that link when I googled before posting my question. It is indeed the only web link. I didn't see an EN version of the page using the term, so I felt none the wiser ...
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17 mins

initiation fee

CIOC software offerings are membership-based, with hosting services provided by CIOC. CIOC members are required to pay an initiation fee when first adding one of the CIOC software applications; additional membership fees are paid on a yearly basis to cover the costs of maintaining and hosting the application. Annual fees include all available software upgrades and basic technical support.

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Note added at 30 mins (2009-11-26 14:52:37 GMT)
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http://www.startcasino.com/sublicen.php3
Reference:

http://www.cioc.ca/software.aspx

Note from asker:
Thank you, my friend, but we are not talking about the specific case of CIOC software (which is designed for the non-profit sector, I believe)
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2 hrs

minimum ("get-in") launch capital investment

It was understood to have been seeking further financing on top of its launch capital of $7m (£4.8m). Its business plan was to allow firms to buy legal, ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › Business › Business News - Cached - Similar

Checkmate launch proves market is turning - Daily news archive ...
23 Jul 2008 ... With Checkmate having raised much of its launch capital from the private equity sector and Blackstone looking at Paragon, private equity is ...
www.mortgageintroducer.com/.../Checkmate_launch_proves_mark... -

Would have liked to get start-up in there somewhere, but it doesn't seem to work.

The key idea is capital to get the project off the ground.

I think there's also an idea that "this is too good to miss", "get in" for relative peanuts before it's too late.
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3 days 8 hrs

initial investment

They just mean 'initial investment'. I don't know that there is a similarly metaphorical term in English.
Note from asker:
Thank you, but Fourth came close to that suggestion in his discussion point several days ago, and while I'm sure we all agree that this is what is meant, if it had fitted the style of the document I would not have posted the question. My customer has in fact opted for seed capital.
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