Apr 7, 2014 17:14
10 yrs ago
French term
United States
conseil déloyal
French to English
Bus/Financial
Finance (general)
In a published book on business ethics, author writes the following phrase which lists essentially misdeeds in business:
...droits de l’homme, fraude comptable, corruption, conseil déloyal...
I say:
...human rights, accounting fraud, corruption, [insider trading?]...
But isn't this délit d'initié?
I cannot find any meaning for this term. Certainly "déloyal" translates as "unfair" as in "commerce deloyal", but I cannot find the meaning of "conseil deloyal."
...droits de l’homme, fraude comptable, corruption, conseil déloyal...
I say:
...human rights, accounting fraud, corruption, [insider trading?]...
But isn't this délit d'initié?
I cannot find any meaning for this term. Certainly "déloyal" translates as "unfair" as in "commerce deloyal", but I cannot find the meaning of "conseil deloyal."
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advice in bad faith
"False advice" doesn't do it for me. There is no doubt about what this phrase means, though.
Often expanded to "advice given/provided in bad faith", but it resists contraction to "bad-faith advice".
Often expanded to "advice given/provided in bad faith", but it resists contraction to "bad-faith advice".
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nweatherdon
Canada
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insincere advice
It's a guess, but I'm pretty sure it's on the mark.
I think it is understood by "insincere advice" that someone who one would normally think could be counted on to give good advice would instead give suboptimal advice (perhaps even advice which would be explicitly damaging if acted upon) in order to reduce the relative position of the individual or group receiving the advice.
I think it is understood by "insincere advice" that someone who one would normally think could be counted on to give good advice would instead give suboptimal advice (perhaps even advice which would be explicitly damaging if acted upon) in order to reduce the relative position of the individual or group receiving the advice.
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Simon Charass
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misleading advice
Misleading: to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit [Merriam-Webster]
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Francis Marche
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biased, flawed and misrepresented advice
That covers it all doesn't it ? You could use one, two or the three of them together, as in here :
http://saveourrail.org.au/?p=216
But "misrepresented advice" is by itself a strong candidate.
http://saveourrail.org.au/?p=216
But "misrepresented advice" is by itself a strong candidate.
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Untruthful advice
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untrustworthy advice
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untrustworthy advice
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false advice
i.e. not just simple and plain incompetence, but giving someone deliberately the wrong advice - like advisers who will recommend you to buy shares in a company while knowing the shares are about to fall.
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false as in "bearing false witness"
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false fɔːls,fɒls adjective
1. --- not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
"he was feeding false information to his customers"
synonyms: incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, faulty, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, inexact, imprecise, invalid, unfounded;
antonyms: correct, truthful
not according with rules or law. "false imprisonment"
2. --- made to imitate something in order to deceive.
"the trunk had a false bottom"
[https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=false]
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here is an interesting one:
"Arnold Schwarzenegger used to give his fellow bodybuilders false advice so he'd easily beat them during competitions"
[http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1q90ru/til_ar...]
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or a far more serious case:
"Lord Advocate under fire for "false advice"
The Lord Advocate was caught out being economical with the truth (to put it at its mildest) over the grounds on which the first appeal failed. The Crown Office responds by referring to what was argued in the second appeal before it was abandoned just prior to Abdelbaset Megrahi's repatriation. ...."
[http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.be/2011/02/lord-advocate-under...]
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false as in "bearing false witness"
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false fɔːls,fɒls adjective
1. --- not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
"he was feeding false information to his customers"
synonyms: incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, faulty, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, inexact, imprecise, invalid, unfounded;
antonyms: correct, truthful
not according with rules or law. "false imprisonment"
2. --- made to imitate something in order to deceive.
"the trunk had a false bottom"
[https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=false]
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Note added at 1 day44 mins (2014-04-08 17:59:14 GMT)
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here is an interesting one:
"Arnold Schwarzenegger used to give his fellow bodybuilders false advice so he'd easily beat them during competitions"
[http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1q90ru/til_ar...]
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Note added at 1 day13 hrs (2014-04-09 06:46:50 GMT)
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or a far more serious case:
"Lord Advocate under fire for "false advice"
The Lord Advocate was caught out being economical with the truth (to put it at its mildest) over the grounds on which the first appeal failed. The Crown Office responds by referring to what was argued in the second appeal before it was abandoned just prior to Abdelbaset Megrahi's repatriation. ...."
[http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.be/2011/02/lord-advocate-under...]
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AllegroTrans
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B D Finch
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Najib Aloui
: Does "false" mean " wrong" , "misguiding" etc. or something that looks like an advice but is not an advice? A false witness is false not because he says things that are false (that's just a consequence) but because he is false as a witness, he is not a...
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false witness = acting in good faith?
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Francis Marche
: Not sure "false" covers the "deliberately wrong" quality; e.g. "False alert" is neutral, void of intent.
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it's one option; you could also talk of deception or misrepresentation or ...
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rkillings
: Advice can consist of entirely true statements and still be given in bad faith if relevant information known to the adviser is left out of it. Sins of omission count too..
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True! The worst lies are lies by omission! It would still be "false advice" (lying by omission) - I think you could still use either "in bad faith" or "false" in such case.
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Jessica Noyes
United States
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Reference:
The one instance I could find on line. Perhaps helpful for context
De plus, un gentlemen’s agreement serait contraire aux obligations légales
des banques qui doivent conseiller leurs clients fidèlement et conformément à
leurs souhaits. Dans les faits, une banque qui s’attend à une appréciation mais
ne le communique pas à ses clients agit illégalement. Les obligations de cette
nature faites aux banques sont extrêmement délicates. Les dommages potentiels
d’un possible **conseil déloyal** seraient énormes pour la place économique.
Cependant, si cette mesure restait sans effet, cela tiendrait principalement au
fait que la spéculation sur le franc n’est pas la cause mais la conséquence de
l’appréciation du franc. Les causes fondamentales de l’appréciation (la crise de
l’endettement en Europe et aux États-Unis, etc.) perdurent, de sorte qu’on peut
s’attendre à de nouvelles envolées monétaires.
des banques qui doivent conseiller leurs clients fidèlement et conformément à
leurs souhaits. Dans les faits, une banque qui s’attend à une appréciation mais
ne le communique pas à ses clients agit illégalement. Les obligations de cette
nature faites aux banques sont extrêmement délicates. Les dommages potentiels
d’un possible **conseil déloyal** seraient énormes pour la place économique.
Cependant, si cette mesure restait sans effet, cela tiendrait principalement au
fait que la spéculation sur le franc n’est pas la cause mais la conséquence de
l’appréciation du franc. Les causes fondamentales de l’appréciation (la crise de
l’endettement en Europe et aux États-Unis, etc.) perdurent, de sorte qu’on peut
s’attendre à de nouvelles envolées monétaires.
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