Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Vertrauensunwürdigkeit
English translation:
gross misconduct
Added to glossary by
Dr. Andrew Hudson
Apr 24, 2015 17:26
9 yrs ago
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German term
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Vertrauensunwürdigkeit
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What, in your opinion, is the common way to render this phrase in English (specifically UK English)?
Here is a sample context, as part of an overall "Entlassungsgründe bei Angestellten":
"Entlassung wegen Vertrauensunwürdigkeit und Untreue."
Untrustworthiness, maybe?
Thanks as always!
Here is a sample context, as part of an overall "Entlassungsgründe bei Angestellten":
"Entlassung wegen Vertrauensunwürdigkeit und Untreue."
Untrustworthiness, maybe?
Thanks as always!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | gross misconduct |
Lancashireman
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| 4 +4 | Untrustworthiness |
Hannah Sanders
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| 3 +2 | deceitfulness and breach of trust |
Ramey Rieger (X)
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| 3 +1 | lack of trustworthiness |
Michael Martin, MA
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| 3 | unreliability |
Donald Jacobson
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References
| background info |
Johanna Timm, PhD
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| DISMISSAL FOR CAUSE; EMPLOYEE’S UNWORTHINESS OF TRUST. |
heidi (X)
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Proposed translations
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1 day 4 hrs
Selected
gross misconduct
The term you are looking for in UK Law is gross misconduct:
Gross misconduct is misconduct by the employee so serious that it completely undermines the employer’s trust and confidence in the employee to perform his/her duties.
http://www.reculversolicitors.co.uk/disciplinary-hearings-ad...
It is strongly advisable to give employees a clear indication of the type of behaviour you consider to be gross misconduct. You can do so in the contract of employment itself or in a staff handbook. Identifying such behaviour in advance will help to demonstrate later on that you regard it as significant. Most employers would identify intoxication (whether from drink or drugs), fighting or other physical abuse, indecent behaviour, theft, dishonesty, sabotage, serious breaches of health and safety rules, offensive behaviour (such as discrimination, harassment, bullying, abuse and violence) and gross insubordination as examples of gross misconduct.
Gross misconduct can include things such as theft, physical violence, gross negligence or serious insubordination.
https://www.gov.uk/dismiss-staff/dismissals-on-capability-or...
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Link for second quote:
http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/discipline-and-...
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As TonyTK says above ("it sounds as if you can fire people for looking a bit shifty"), a worker cannot be dismissed merely because the employer has misgivings. Evidence of misconduct must be forthcoming.
Gross misconduct is misconduct by the employee so serious that it completely undermines the employer’s trust and confidence in the employee to perform his/her duties.
http://www.reculversolicitors.co.uk/disciplinary-hearings-ad...
It is strongly advisable to give employees a clear indication of the type of behaviour you consider to be gross misconduct. You can do so in the contract of employment itself or in a staff handbook. Identifying such behaviour in advance will help to demonstrate later on that you regard it as significant. Most employers would identify intoxication (whether from drink or drugs), fighting or other physical abuse, indecent behaviour, theft, dishonesty, sabotage, serious breaches of health and safety rules, offensive behaviour (such as discrimination, harassment, bullying, abuse and violence) and gross insubordination as examples of gross misconduct.
Gross misconduct can include things such as theft, physical violence, gross negligence or serious insubordination.
https://www.gov.uk/dismiss-staff/dismissals-on-capability-or...
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Link for second quote:
http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/discipline-and-...
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As TonyTK says above ("it sounds as if you can fire people for looking a bit shifty"), a worker cannot be dismissed merely because the employer has misgivings. Evidence of misconduct must be forthcoming.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ramey Rieger (X)
: Aye, well done!// Not a bit, you're right, that's all.
3 days 14 hrs
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Thanks, Ramey. Very gracious.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks!"
4 mins
Donald Jacobson
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Neuropsychiatrist(MD) German(MA)
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English, Russian to English, Swedish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
unreliability
Or untrustworthiness
+2
48 mins
deceitfulness and breach of trust
the two terms are very similar
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
YorickJenkins
: Not sure about deceitfulness but in the context of German labour law (would stress this context) breach of trust is the best IMO
16 hrs
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Yes, breach of trust, whether BE or AE, I do believe.
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| agree |
TonyTK
: In light of Johanna's reference, "breach of trust" looks like the best fit of the answers on the board. Otherwise it sounds as if you can fire people for looking a bit shifty.
21 hrs
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I think so, too. Thank you.
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+4
52 mins
Untrustworthiness
I would translate ""Entlassung wegen Vertrauensunwürdigkeit und Untreue." as "Dismissal on grounds of (or due to) untrustworthiness and disloyalty"
Example sentence:
Sec 27, White-Collar Employees Act, contains a non-exhaustive list of valid grounds for summary dismissal, which includes: •untrustworthiness or disloyalty on the part of the employee
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Eleanore Strauss
: although a somewhat awkward term, to my mind this is the more accurate definition
4 mins
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| agree |
Adrian MM. (X)
14 hrs
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| agree |
writeaway
14 hrs
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| neutral |
YorickJenkins
: i think this would be fine if including the word "proven" -see my comments below
16 hrs
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| neutral |
Lancashireman
: Too literal. Try telling this to a British judge.
1 day 3 hrs
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| agree |
dozegi (X)
1 day 18 hrs
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| neutral |
Margaret Marks
: Untreue in criminal law is breach of trust, whereas disloyalty is not a legal term. Better 'untrustworthiness and breach of trust'
1 day 23 hrs
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+1
6 hrs
Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
Specializes in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
:
364
lack of trustworthiness
I think that's the usual way of rendering this. See below:
"Managers require that any deliberate falsification of information or failure to provide information are cause for immediate dismissal for lack of trustworthiness."
https://books.google.com/books?id=fKyIAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=...
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Excellent point raised by YorickJenkins. This source, though, suggests that lack of trustworthiness could be grounds for dismissal under Austrian law:
“Should an employee fail to report any such incidents to the employer, he/she may be dismissed for lack of trustworthiness.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=54LbBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT41&lpg=P...
"Managers require that any deliberate falsification of information or failure to provide information are cause for immediate dismissal for lack of trustworthiness."
https://books.google.com/books?id=fKyIAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=...
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Excellent point raised by YorickJenkins. This source, though, suggests that lack of trustworthiness could be grounds for dismissal under Austrian law:
“Should an employee fail to report any such incidents to the employer, he/she may be dismissed for lack of trustworthiness.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=54LbBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT41&lpg=P...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
gangels (X)
: my preference
2 days 13 hrs
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Reference comments
11 mins
Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Canada
Native in German
Specializes in field
Canada
Friendly, fast & certified!
Native in: German (Variants: Swiss, Platt / Nieder (Low German), Austrian, Germany) 
Works in: English to German, German to English, German
Related KudoZ points
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717
Reference:
background info
Als ein wichtiger Grund, der den Dienstgeber zur vorzeitigen Entlassung berechtigt, ist insbesondere anzusehen:
1.wenn der Angestellte im Dienste untreu ist, sich in seiner Tätigkeit ohne Wissen oder Willen des Dienstgebers von dritten Personen unberechtigte Vorteile zuwenden läßt, insbesondere entgegen der Bestimmung des § 13 eine Provision oder eine sonstige Belohnung annimmt, oder wenn er sich einer Handlung schuldig macht, die ihn des Vertrauens des Dienstgebers unwürdig erscheinen läßt;
http://www.jusline.at/27_AngG.html
1.wenn der Angestellte im Dienste untreu ist, sich in seiner Tätigkeit ohne Wissen oder Willen des Dienstgebers von dritten Personen unberechtigte Vorteile zuwenden läßt, insbesondere entgegen der Bestimmung des § 13 eine Provision oder eine sonstige Belohnung annimmt, oder wenn er sich einer Handlung schuldig macht, die ihn des Vertrauens des Dienstgebers unwürdig erscheinen läßt;
http://www.jusline.at/27_AngG.html
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Reference:
DISMISSAL FOR CAUSE; EMPLOYEE’S UNWORTHINESS OF TRUST.
— Where under the circumstances, the employers had reasonable grounds to believe, if not to entertain the moral conviction, that respondent employee was mainly responsible for the disappearance of the case of goods and that the nature of his participation in such loss rendered him absolutely unworthy of the trust and confidence demanded by his position as head checker, his dismissal which is not only to punish him but also as a deterrent to similar misbehaviour of other employees and to protect the reputation of the company, is in order.
http://www.chanrobles.com/cralaw/1968junedecisions.php?id=37...
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In the letter of dismissal defendants did not impute to plaintiff a want of knowledge, skill, capacity or fitness to perform the duties of an airplane polisher or mechanic which he claims as his trade.
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Certainly there is nothing in this charge that in any way imputes dishonesty, disloyalty, unreliability, or unworthiness of trust to plaintiff.
https://casetext.com/case/jacobs-v-transcontinental-western-...
http://www.chanrobles.com/cralaw/1968junedecisions.php?id=37...
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In the letter of dismissal defendants did not impute to plaintiff a want of knowledge, skill, capacity or fitness to perform the duties of an airplane polisher or mechanic which he claims as his trade.
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Certainly there is nothing in this charge that in any way imputes dishonesty, disloyalty, unreliability, or unworthiness of trust to plaintiff.
https://casetext.com/case/jacobs-v-transcontinental-western-...
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